tv CNN Tonight With Don Lemon CNN October 15, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PDT
-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com donald trump on the defense tonight as two more women accuse him of sexual assault. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon many one of the new accusers a former contest ent on "the apprentice" who says after she was fired she met with trump privately believing he was a mentor. >> he then asked me to sit next to him. i complied. he then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again aggressively and placed his hand on my breast. well, trump is slamming these mounting allegations against him, calling it a smear campaign. >> these are lies being pushed by the media and the clinton campaign to try and keep their grip on our country.
>> there's a lot to get to ahead in this hour. i want to begin with cnn correspondent jessica schneider who is outside trump tower tonight. good evening to you, jessica. you have been digging on all of these allegations of sexual assault and groping. what are you finding? >> well, don, stories from all of these women all sound similar. they all say that these are incidents of uninvited groping and kissing, and all of the women including the two tonight said they are coming forward now because of donald trump's own comments in that "access hollywood" tape and his subsequent denials in sunday night's debate. ♪ >> summer ser vote was a con ses ent in 2016. after getting the boot from donald trump in first episode. >> you know what? summer, you're fired. >> okay. >> go. thank you. >> zervos turned to trump to guide her career.
>> even after i was fired, i continued to see him as a possible mentor and potential employer. >> she says she met with trump twice in 2007, first in his office in new york. >> when i arrived he kissed me on the lips. i was surprised but felt that perhaps it was just his form of greeting. >> trump asked for her number and they planned to meet up the next time he was in l.a. zervos says the family and members she told about the kiss suggested she ignore it. >> i spoke at length to my loved ones and we came to the conclusion this was undoubtedly some form of greeting and i should not take it as anything other than that. >> when trump called her a few days later she agreed to meet with him at the beverly hills hotel. when she arrived she said a security guard led her inside trump's room. >> i stood up and he came to me and started kissing me open mouthed as he was pulling me towards him. i walked away and sat in a chair. he was on a love seat across from me and i made an attempt at conversation.
he then asked me to sit next to him. i complied. he then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very aggressively and placed his hand on my breast. i pulled back and walked to another part of the room. >> zervos says she resisted while the aggression continued. >> i pushed his chest to put space between us, and i said, come on, man, get real. he repeated my words back to me. get real. as he began thrusting his genitals. >> zervos says the sexual advances eventually stopped. she had dinner with him and then left the hotel. she says she was eventually offered a job at trump's golf course near l.a. but she turned it down when the salary was half of what she expected. she hasn't talked to trump since though she says she reached out in april of this year to give him a chance to explain his behavior. she never heard back. with a flood of allegations she say she felt compelled to speak out. >> you do not have the right to treat women as sexual objects just because you are a star.
>> in a statement today, trump says to be clear i never met her at a hotel or greeted her inappropriately a decade ago. he continued, that is not who i am as a person and it is not how i've conducted my life. kristin anderson telling "the washington post" she too was groped by trump at a night clun in new york in the early 1990s. >> the person on my right who unbeknownst to me at that time was donald trump put their hand up my skirt. he did touch my vagina through my underwear, absolutely. pushed the hand away and i got up and i turned around and i see these eye brows, very distinct eye brows of donald trump. and i got up and i moved, and i continued to talk with my friends, and they said, oh, that's donald trump. i was like, ew, he's gross, he just put his hand up my skirt. >> cnn has not verified either of these claims. the trump campaign responding to
kristin anderson's allegation with this. this is a total fabrication. it did not happen. it is ill logical and nonsensical to think donald trump was alone in a nightclub in manhattan and that the alleged incident and recognition of mr. trump went unnoticed by both the woman involved and anyone else in this crowded venue. and in just the past few moments we got another statement from the trump campaign, this one coming from the first cousin of summer zervos, his name john berry. i will read it for you. the first cousin saying, i think summer wishes she could still be on reality tv, and in an effort to get it back she is saying all of these negative things about mr. trump. that's not how she talked about him before. i can only imagine that summer's actions today are nothing more than an attempt to regain the spotlight at mr. trump's expense, and i don't think it reflect well. again, that statement coming from the trump campaign, direct from the first cousin of that woman who was on "the apprentice" season five. i did reach out to summer's
father tonight. i talked to him briefly but he said he could not comment on any of this. don. >> all right. thank you very much for that. we appreciate it. i want to bring in now defense attorney alan dershowitz and jack kingston, former republican congressman who is a senior advicer to trump campaign. jack, what is your response to the cousin of the woman? >> first of all, i want to preface everything i say, take everything very seriously. i think we should. we owe it not just to the women but to society. having said that, i actually did have the opportunity to hear her first cousin speak, and he was not as complimentary of her sincerity. i thought it was interesting what he was saying is that she was extremely fond of donald trump, and at some point he felt like when donald trump declined to go visit in april at her invitation that she got mad at him, and that was what his
statement was. so, you know, i think it is something that needs to be considered. he's somebody who has worked with his first cousin, obviously grew up with her in the same town. >> but, alan, he would not be present for any of these allegations, correct? what's your response? >> well, my response is that there should never be any presumptions about these accusations. there shouldn't be any political assumption that women always tell the truth or that women always lie. every single accusation should be evaluated on its merits. you should look at all of the evidence, both supporting and opposing the allegation. could trump have been where she said he was? were there any other witnesses? what possible motive would there be? and then come to a conclusion without any presumptions. you have to have the same standards applying to accusations against bill clinton as you do about accusations against donald trump. of course, one is running for
president and one is not, but you can't say if you're a democrat, oh, all of the allegations against clinton are false and all of the allegations against trump are true, or if you're a trump supporter the opposite. you have to evaluate every single case on the merits without a presumption either way, and i think the media is trying to do that but it is essential that every case be considered on its own merits and demerits. >> right. because at the moment these are allegations, right? none of it has been proven, at least not yet. jack, i have to ask you, you know, you heard in jessica's piece, the story, there are eight women who have come forward to our account. nicholas kristof says he knows of more. do you think that they're all lying? >> no, i have great concern about all of this, and i think that's the proper way to approach it. you know, i have a concern, is, you know, we need to hear them. as alan says, each case needs to be evaluated separately as to, you know, what were the circumstances, who was there,
what were the witnesses, and i think -- you know, we can get to this. you know, mr. trump is at a disadvantage in terms of, you know, running the campaign and defending himself publicly when often you can't defend yourself publicly. >> how is he at a disadvantage? he can step in front of a microphone any time, everyone will take him live. he can tell his side of the story. he can apologize. he has been invited to every single show. it seems he has more of an advantage at least to give his side of the story. >> well, for one thing, any time you're talking about this as a candidate you're not talking about national security, you're not talking about economic changes and jobs and healthcare reform. >> if you believe in your innocence --. >> i'm just saying that's one of the disadvantages. the other disadvantage is he may know something that should any of these cases become a legal matter, which i believe is possible, he might not want to try this in the court of public
opinion. alan could probably speak more accurately about that than me. >> go ahead, alan. >> well, i think in a normal case that may be true, but when you're running for president and it is a couple of weeks before the election you have to try it in the court of public opinion, and it is fair to put on a defense and to say, look, i couldn't have been there, there was a crowded nightclub and other people would have seen it. what is absolutely wrong, what no lawyer would ever recommend that a client say is that she wasn't good looking enough for me to abuse. that is almost essentially an admission of guilt. what he seems to be saying is if she were good looking, really attractive, then the argument would be a plausible one. in terms of quantity, that's a knife that cuts both ways. clearly when a lot of people come forward, that is corroborating evidence that it may be true, but we also know there are copy cats. we also know that there were ten, 15 people who come forward, very frequently some of them will be true but others will say, there is a bandwagon, there
may be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. so we have to evaluate each of these situations on their merits and demerits. >> so the congressman talked about, you know, there may be legal actions we don't know about, he doesn't want to try it in the court of public opinion. >> no. >> he is threatening to sue the "new york times," people magazine, even some of the women. what are the chances of his success? >> almost zero. there is a privilege for journalists to report things that other people have said. this is a newsworthy item. it would be a frivolous lawsuit against the "new york times." it would not be a frivolous lawsuit against the people making the allegations, and if the "new york times" published without itself doing any kind of corroboration -- but i think the times was fairly careful in seeking to corroborate. they didn't publish all of the accounts, they published those that they could corroborate. so i think that donald trump has to go back to college and learn a little bit about the first amendment. the first amendment protects journalists from reporting newsworthy items.
now, you have to ask yourself, what's the standard that the times applies in reporting on these issues, but i think they're pretty safe from a lawsuit. i think everybody is safe from a lawsuit. this is now a three-week issue unless you take seriously donald trump's request that people vote on november 28th, actually the election is on the 8th. by that time this is over. there will be no lawsuits. if he has anything to say, if i were his lawyer or his adviser, i would say, say it now, say it respectfully, put your evidence forward, get the information, try to get records that show you couldn't have been in various places, if you couldn't have been, and if you were there acknowledge you were there. make the best case you can, but without insulting the people that made the allegations. they have to be taken seriously and treated respectfully. >> congressman, donald trump is saying the recent allegations of sexual misconduct are being driven by hillary clinton and the media, a conspiracy against him. but these women came forward after hearing donald trump's own
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her. you know, i'm automatically attracted to -- i just start kissing them. it is like a mag nept. and when you're a star they let you do it. you can do whatever you want. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the pussy. no, it looks good. >> some of the accusers say they had to speak out after hearing anderson's question at the debate about had you done this before, are you admitting to having done it, and then he denied it and they said it upset them. how is that a conspiracy from the media and the clinton campaign? >> i think there are numb critics outside of the clinton campaign he doesn't have to worry about there being any conspiracy, that they connect independently. i think alan has given some solid advice in terms of there won't be legal action, this is a political matter, if i heard alan correctly, and therefore he needs to in the next couple of
weeks and hopefully really within the next couple of days to say, here is where i was on those nights, i could not have been here. for example, if you were -- if he was allegedly in some particular bar, if he can show actually i was in new orleans, i wasn't in new york city that day, that week, i think that's the sort of thing that, you know, we've got to get out to the
public and got to get it out quickly. so that's probably the better tactic, but, you know, again, where he wants to go and certainly where i want to go is to be talking about economic policy, immigration policy and foreign policy and things like that. so you've got to get this off the deck in order to get the flexibility again. >> that's going to be a tough one to do considering the severity of these allegations. i understand that you want to talk about those issues, but this is serious stuff as well, which i agree, which you have agreed on this broadcast as well, a serious topic. thank you, alan, thank you congressman. i appreciate it. straight ahead now, we are 25 days until election day but plenty of voters casting early
at the federalist, and ryan lizza is with us also. here is trump defending himself against allegations of sexual assault. take a look. you take a look. look at her. oh, i was in donald trump in 1980. i was sitting with him on an airplane, and he went after me on the plain. yeah, i'm going to go after. believe me, she would not be my first choice, that i can tell you. man. you don't know, that would not be my first choice. >> so, david, you know, mocking the victims. we've seen him mock other people before. it seems like a strange tactic to take when one is defending one's self. why do you think he is doing this? >> yeah, it is a strange tactic to take. donald trump does not like to back down, does not like to apologize, does not like to admit any kind of wrong. i heard congressman kingston in your last segment say that
whether he's attracted to the women is irrelevant and i'm glad he said that because that's right. either the allegations against donald trump are true or they're false. how long ago the alleged incidents took place or whether or not he says he's attracted to the women who have accused him are not relevant. either what happened is true or false, and i think it is a strange strategy, john, in part because right now he's in a fight to the extent that he's trying to win this race, he's in a fight to win over women voters, particularly college-educated women voters. you know, you can tell by the movement of the polls in the last couple of weeks -- >> numbers are slipping, yeah. >> the numbers are slipping for him. so it is not helpful. i'm not sure why he's doing it other than he doesn't like to back down. >> the reaction he's had dealing with this crisis over the past week or so, ryan, has this shown him to be presidential? i mean the arguments that, you know, i only assault
attractive women is both the strangest argument i have ever heard and also the most donald trump argument i've ever heard. >> yes. >> but implicit in what he is saying is, you know, look at these people, i only assault, you know, tens or however he put it. >> you're almost at a loss for words and i've never seen you at a loss for words, ryan. >> i find myself at a loss for words almost daily in the final weeks of this campaign, you know, watching this stuff play out. you know, you asked david to sort of explain why he said that and, you know, i'm glad you didn't ask me to do it because it doesn't -- at this point it takes -- >> it defies logic. >> a psychiatrist to understand how he could get up there and talk about the looks of his accusers rather than, you know, if he's innocent layout some facts and explain in a careful way why he's the victim of an
unfair, unsubstantiated attack. he's not doing that. he's not putting evidence forward. >> when he said this was, you know, the strangest thing but the most donald trump thing, mary kathryn, you said, yes. i heard you. >> yes. yeah, because it is strange coming from anyone else. the problem with donald trump as a nominee is it is not strange coming from him. it makes perfect sense to me to hear it as part of his defense. i think part of what donald trump does is speaks to the audience in front of him and he's not often thinking about the other people he needs to bring in, and that has caused many problems along the way. in this case i think he is talking to an audience that does think the media is after him and that many of these things are unfair. look, when it comes to these charges, right, and each of these things, take each of them on their merits and, you know, try to verify and figure out what is going on here and be fair to the person who is accused and take the accuser seriously. the merits should not include what party the person being accused is of, even though in this town that often is what
people base their belief or not belief on. but i'm sympathetic to the notion he can't come out and disprove each one of these in systematic fashion and still run a presidential campaign. the problem for donald trump is the reason people believe these accusations is because he said it on tape. >> on tape, he said it. yeah. mary katherine, you said he won't recover from this. why do you say that? >> yeah, i don't think he will. there's not enough time on the clock for one thing. and he's not a guy who changes his way of doing things. i think we've seen that throughout this. i've been asked i don't know how many times, will he change during this campaign? and i always say no, he won't. he's who he is and that's part of what worked for him for part of the time, but it was always going to be what spelled problems for him in the end. anybody who thought there was not a bunch of outflow coming on this guy who was miked up for 25 years was out of their mind. >> was it weird he wouldn't
allow his campaign to do research on him? i find that flaber gassing, but i have to ask you, i have to ask the rest of the panel the same question. do you think he can recover from this, david, between now and november 8th? >> no, i don't, don. i agree with mary katherine, with three 1/2 weeks to go it is not enough time to change the narrative. he has been accused bisexual assau -- he's been accused of sexual assault. if he is charged with a crime he is due presumption of innocence and due process, but we're not in a courtroom right now and in the court of public opinion and the narrative is hardening around him because of the "access hollywood" tape where he was heard saying a bunch of things. it doesn't prove he did them but it entitles voters to make up their minds about him in a particular way, and i don't think he can do anything or he
is doing anything to turn it around. >> ryan, can he recover? >> no. i mean recover in that can he still win this election? for him to win this election would be the greatest come-from-behind victory, you know, tempted to say in modern american politics, i think in the history of american politics. but certainly in the modern era nobody this late in october has come from behind in the deficit he faces. if you look at the demographics of the race, if you look at the states where he is hurting, it would be one of the all-time greatest comebacks in political history. >> mary cathkathryn, what do yo think is happening in the campaign? his campaign is being led by a woman. >> it has always been a competition in the campaign, always fraught between whoever is trying to manage donald trump and donald trump who sees himself as the ultimate manager. and he is happy to be himself all day long, and he doesn't like being bottled up. i think when you try to send him
down a road and make him a little bit more disciplined, it often means he boils over more later. i think that's the problem that kellyanne conway has had since she's been on because she had success at times. >> let's put up her tweet. someone in the audience was stick to the issues. she goes, that was me! i was there. according to i think jim acosta -- yeah, jason carroll said he saw a guy in the audience saying this, but she is saying it. she is obviously having her own issues with him. >> here is the thing with donald trump, and sometimes people complain why aren't they paying attention to wikileaks and paying attention to the hillary clinton campaign, and some of that is fair, but the thing is donald trump will continue to talk about this and only this and not the things about hillary clinton he should be prosecuting. he has the power to get media attention and he doesn't use it for these things. >> somebody said talking more about the e-mails, i know how
they feel. when they say, why are you talking so much about the e-mails, i know how they feel. it is completely ideological. trump insists though there is evidence exonerating him on all of these accusations we have heard. do you think the evidence actually exists? mike pence was on cbs this morning show saying it is going to come out now. that was this morning. it is almost mid night eastern time and nothing has happened. where is it, david? >> i don't know, and i don't think it matters. >> reminds me of last friday night sitting here waiting for the tape to come out. go on. >> again, if he winds up charged with something in the legal system, then, yes, you really have to look at evidence, due process, et cetera. in terms of what is going on in voters' minds, look, take this all the way back, right, last week we were talking about the "access hollywood" tape. we talked briefly about what megan kelly brought up in the
first republican debate about his comments about rosy o'donnell. i was thinking earlier about an incident that went by almost unnoticed, which was when he -- everybody has been following numbers, when you brought the woman on stage a year ago to run her fingers through her hair to prove he had real hair. when she left the stage he said, don, he said, look, there goes -- someone has a really nice wife. you go from there. >> i didn't hear. someone was talking to me. what did he say? >> when the woman left the stage after running her hands through the hair and verifying it was his real hair, his comment on the microphone was, hey, look, thank you, someone's got a really nice wife there. there are all of these little comments that suggest to me that he sees women in these situations as two dimensional, as not three dimensional, as not people in the sense they should be regarded by him. that's not a crime, but incidents after incident after incident and a narrative forms. like mary kathryn says, with a
few weeks left to go it will be too hard for him to turn it around. >> tone deaf -- ryan we will get you on the other side of the break, but tone deaf on so many issues brought up throughout the campaign, and yet people in his campaign will fight back when you tell them, you're tone deaf on this issue, on that issue, they don't believe it and keep moving on and now here they are. we will discuss the electoral map and put it up for everyone and discuss where we are coming up.
donald trump's spending time on the campaign trail fending off allegations of sexual assault. is this having any impact on his attempt to win 270 electoral votes. here is cnn john king. what do you have? >> you look at the map and things are growing more bleak for donald trump and all of these controversies about women are at the center. let's start with the latest national poll, not good news for donald trump. hillary clinton with a 7 point lead in the fox news poll among likely voters, 45 to 38%. a week ago clinton had a two point lead. what happened in the last week? you don't need me to tell you. hillary clinton opened up a seven point lead.
as i noi noted, defections of women are the big problem for donald trump. hillary clinton with a 19 point lead over donald trump among likely female voters. that's a blowout. remember, women will be a majority on election day in november. how does it break down? let's look at how it is breaking down and how much that hurts donald trump. in just the last week dropped 12 points among women age 45 and older, dropped 10 points among suburban women, close presidential elections are decided in the suburbs, that's a huge problem. white women with a college degree, donald trump lost seven points in the last week. republican women, six points in the last week. you get the picture. this is hurting him nationally, and all of that trouble translates into what we might call the battleground state blues. remember, he was going to win across the rust belt. he is losing pennsylvania by nine, michigan by 11, wisconsin by seven. ohio is best, plus one. maybe clinton plus one or two. but that's trump's best state in ohio but it is not enough.
she is winning in new hampshire, in north carolina and even indiana, mike pence's home state, reliably red state, obama won in '08, but donald trump leading only by four. that tells you the ticket is in trouble. we switch and say can donald trump get to the magic number, 270 electoral vote. we have clinton across the finish line. if the election were held today we believe she would win the presidency. at the moment she leads in nevada, she leads in florida, and she leads in north carolina. trump maybe leads in ohio, that's the closest one for him. not enough. if it played out like that, that's a blowout for secretary clinton. can trump win? even his own campaign says the path is very narrow now. they think you need to turn florida, which is close. you need to turn north carolina which, again, is still very close. you need to hold ohio or win it. it is pretty tied right now. see how it plays out. even if he did that, don, he's 17 electoral votes short. the only plams to get them in
one swoop is pennsylvania where he trails by nine. is that impossible? a lot of republicans think so. a lot of republicans actually think the presidential race is over. those that don't think it is over think that is an incredibly steep hill to climb. you will turn one, two, three and hold that state, complicated states, cost a lot of money, only 25 days left. not impossible, don, but incredibly hard, especially when you are trying to do it in the middle of all of these controversy. >> absolutely. john king, thank you. back with me now, david, i'll say to you what a friend texted me today. said, man, he was 45 days from living in the white house and do you agree with that? because this looks like an incredibly steep uphill climb that is likely impossible. >> yeah, i don't know if he was that close to the white house, but certainly there was a moment just a few weeks ago where donald trump was ascending in the polls, kellyanne conway had sort of taken the campaign by the reins, gotten donald trump
to get back on message, gotten him to use teleprompters and he was really giving clinton a run for her money. what happened, what we've seen in the last couple of weeks particularly leading up to the "access hollywood" tape is he lost all of that ground. hard for me to add much to that analysis that john just did with the map except to say that this just in some ways, even with all we have seen in the last year and a half, remains a turn out election. if clinton can turn out on election deo bauma coalition, unmarried women, white women with a college degree, voters of color, millennial voters, voters in suburbs of cleveland, in suburbs of philadelphia, she probably wins this election. if she can't, if people stay home, they're probably not going to vote for trump, then it is a different story. then trump has a shot. >> quick reak hction from my ot two panelists. mary katherine, what do you think? >> it is a tough map. the map was tough for republicans before donald trump was the nominee and before this
month. it is not looking great and you have to play a perfect game to turn all of those states. i joked he is the disrupter who disrupted too much and maybe in the end he will winnow high owe, florida and lose everything else, just turn the whole game on its head. >> wow. ryan. >> often the swing states tip one way or the other, they don't line up even if they look like they're close going in, you know, half for one and half for another, they tend to fall like dominos for one side or the other. look, there are three big demographics in the race to help explain it, the non-white hispanic votes, and then there's the divided white vote, white working class and the white collar whites, whites with a college education. the minority vote in this country is growing. the white -- the white vote with a college degree is growing and the white working class is in decline. the only, you know, probably by about two points in 2016. the only demographic that trump has a lock on is the one that is
in decline. >> the shrinking one, yeah. >> he has done a huge favor for hillary clinton in pushing a lot of college educated whites who voted for romney but will not vote for him this time and will vote for hillary clinton reluctantly. >> you lose six points of gop women in a week and a half and you keep on that pace. >> that's not good. >> not looking good. >> let's put it up real quick, mary katherine before we leave here. this nbc poll shows he is dragging down republicans across the country. 49% of voters say they want democrats to control congress. what is going on? >> i think it is tough for people down ballot for him. let me say this, in this weird year people want to split the vote more than they have in the past. i think the rnc recognized early on, which is the senatorial committee for republicans, they needed to do that and he might be at the top of the ticket. they've put in work on that. they have their own ground games
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one of the two women coming forward today to accuse donald trump of sexual assault is a former contestant on "the apprentice." i want to talk about this with randall pink et, winner of the four season of the show and author of "black faces in white places" and maria canellis, a former professional wrestler. she was a contestant on "the apprentice" as well. welcome back. thank you for coming on for the first time. let's talk about the newest accuser, her name is summer zervos. here is what she said about her experience with donald trump in her words. >> he then asked me to sit next to him. i complied. he then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very aggressively and placed his hand on my breast.
i pulled back and walked to another part of the room. he then walked up, grabbed my hand and walked me into the bedroom. >> cnn has not been able to independently confirm her story and donald trump has denied this ever happened. but she was a contestant on the fifth season of "the apprentice." she says this all happened after she contacted him after the season in hopes of getting a job. so what do you think of her account? first you, randall? >> well, we talked, last week, don, and 20 people came forward from the cast and crew from "the apprentice" giving accounts of donald's behavior on the set, talking about women's looks, talking about who he would sleep with. i had my own firsthand account of seeing this behavior. that to me was only a precursor to what we see this week, which is, again, ten days coming out and saying, after the show was over, when cameras weren't rolling things got worse. donald, i think summer's account is very credible. clearly visibly moved.
people want to criticize and say why now. i think anderson cooper's question was the catalyst and the flood gates are opened. >> i think it is incredibly difficult to come forward right away, but when you hear all of these other accounts, account upon account upon account, and then you can all come together on this one topic, i think that's why all of these women are coming out now. i do think she's a credible source. but beyond that, his actions speak a lot louder than these words that she said. you guys were there. you know, mark burnett has these tapes supposedly he's not going the release. what's possibly in there? because you were there. >> we were there. i think that there's probably a lot there, and if legally these tapes could come out i think they would be incredibly interesting to people. >> how so? >> because he is a rash man. he is a man that just speaks his mind, doesn't think before he speaks. you know, something so small as a person's skin or they might
have a mole, like i have a mole on my shoulder. he would say, well, you should get that removed, it is an imperfection or, oh, you shouldn't stand like that, or, oh, you're looking pretty today, and hang a little too long on those words and stare a little too long. those are the things i think people would really see. >> i mean the "access hollywood" tape was all of about a minute. "the apprentice" taped 24/7 for more than a dozen seasons, right? we can only imagine, and we saw firsthand our own glimpse of what donald said. i observed donald to say things about women's looks, who he would sleep with. he would ask other candidates who they would sleep with. >> let's remind the audience and then we'll pick it up. here
it is. i have some get some tick tacks in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i just start kissing them, it is like a magnet. i don't even -- and when you're a star they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want.
>> grab them by the pussy. i can do anything. >> go on. >> there you have it. we listened to donald's comments on "access hollywood" where he thought nobody was listening. there were several months during the taping of the show which were considered not the actual moments when we were filming but were in the middle of making transitions, having off-camera conversations. the point is the cameras rolled 24/7. there has to be footage that mark burnett, mgm, nbc is sitting on where donald made as bad if not worse comments. but the point is it's already been corroborated. we have accounts from 20 people from the cast and crew who said it is there. we just need the tapes to prove it is there. >> trump brushed this off as locker room talk, this is what guys do. this is one clip i want to play. when you were fired from season -- your season, which was season -- >> five. >> five of "the apprentice." >> celebrity "the apprentice." >> you came in our dressing room and you took a crap and left a
stench in the room. so that is the whole purpose of why i was upset. >> that's gross bringing that up.
it is like disgusting. this is my board room, it is not a locker room, maria. you're fired. >> and that's actual locker room talk. that is what happens in a locker room. me, i've been in a locker room for 12 years with wrestlers, i've been backstage, i've been in green room, and i have never once heard a man talk like that. that and what he was talking about was assaulting a woman, a married woman, and that's disgusting. he wants to become the president of the united states. to me as president holding the highest office, you should be the best of america, and that right there is the very worst. >> why do you think so many people are making -- again, these are just accusations, but i see people coming on and they like turn flips, not just about the accusations but to defend
the language and the actions on that bus. >> because i don't think people want to believe that they're wrong. i think that this was their guy, and they believed in this guy and they went all the way down this path and all of a sudden they can't get off the road. >> yeah. so you were the first and only black contestant to win "the apprentice," right? >> sure. >> and then he latched on to this birther story and i think you became upset about that, but he also wanted you to share your title? >> right. so i was the fourth season winner of "the apprentice." there were seven seasons of "the apprentice" and then they flipped to celebrity apprentice. i had a white adversary i was against, and he asked me after naming me the winner, do you want to share the title with the white runner ip, which was insulting. as i reflect on his history with race, housing discrimination, black lives matter, to me it was a pattern of racist behavior,
racism. why did you do it donald? i never got a single answer. one day it was for the water cooler, then i wanted to test you, the next day it was for ratings. under lining that was donald's privilege and the way he lived his life thinking he is above everything and sexist behavior and racist behavior he can't be held accountable for it, and now he is being called for it. >> do you think he thought maybe a black winner could not support, the ratings wouldn't be great? there's not been a black bachelor, you know what i mean? >> right. i'll say this, much like he can't hold back from talking about rosy o'donnell or alicia machado at 3:00 in the morning, i don't think he could bear to see a single african-american winner and not have the victory tarnished. >> thank you both. we'll be right back.
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more abuse allegations. donald trump brushes off the growing number of women accusing him of sexual assault. a new round of talks on the bloodshed in syria. but expectations are low. plus, cuba hopes to capitalize on the cigar market in a country that once banned its products. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm paula newton. "cnn newsroom" starts right now. there are now two more sexual assault accusations against u.s. presidential candidate donald trump, bringing the number to at least eight. now one woman says trump